Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (DirtNasty) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:32 GMT

I was a former player on the Minnesota Mens Club hockey team...a lot of schools just have it at the Club level and take it really serious!! I know Arizona's club teams are huge!! Colorado's club team flew in to play us...U of Illinois get about 3,000 fans a game and have recruiting trips...I think most schools go this rout but I def agree that more schools could go Division I

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (llcoolet07) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:01:32 GMT

didn't want to read through the entire thread to see if this was posted, but there are two possible reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

If a school which is already Title IX compliant adds another mens sports, theyre going to get nailed with having to find the money to add another revenue-losing women's sport.
I would think many of the major conferences are mostly devoid of hockey teams, so for it to be an effective sport season at a school,...

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (The Big L) — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:37:51 GMT

I agree with you in that I want there to be more D1 hockey teams. It would make things even more interesting. I just think it's very difficult to get a D1 program started.

I talked to my friend at Illinois. He said most of the sports fans know that they have a good club hockey team. He has never been to a game, but they seem to be known. the problem is, if they were going D1, they would have to invest the same amount of money in a girls program, or take/cut a men's...

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:25:45 GMT

Yes, it's expensive to travel....but the club teams are currently travelling all over the country anyways...and I assume they bring more than 6 players. Arizona State currently plays Away games at: So Cal Long Beach, Weber State, Central Oklahoma, Colorado, Colorado State, Niagara, Oklahoma,

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (wsuwarrior) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:58:57 GMT

Ok, for Kentucky games tickets are $5 a pop, while they are $8 for Arizona games. Both Arizona and Kentucky have 18 home games this season. So that's 450,000 gross profit for Kentucky and 720,000 for Arizona, based off 5,000 people per game.

Now let's say the Arizona Wildcats have a game against Minnesota: Gotta fly the roster and coaches up, I'll low ball and say 25 people fly. Kayak.com, cheapest flight flying in Friday morning, flying out on Sunday is 586 dollars,...

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:59:49 GMT

"I still think this'd be very tough at many schools, as many schools don't have the hockey culture of Minnesota."

They're not gonna bring 10k per game, but the fact that it's the third most attended sport at Arizona and Kentucky is nothing to sniff at.

I also thought NHL teams in Phoenix, Tampa Bay, LA, Atlanta, Dallas and Carolina might go bust....especially with only a handful of American players on pro teams.

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (wsuwarrior) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:27:55 GMT

Based off some quick research:
Penn State, Oklahoma, Iowa State, West Virginia, Pittsburgh

Penn State averaged 1,338 per game for baseball last season, 5,159 per game for women's basketball
Oklahoma averaged 1,289 per game for baseball for the 2006 season (can't find 2007), 9,963 for women's basketball
Iowa State averaged doesn't have baseball, averaged 9,387 for women's basketball
West Virginia averaged below 1,150 per game in baseball in...

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:49:57 GMT

Check it out....I knew Penn State had a hockey "club" they were very proud of, but I did not know they claimed to be D1....which they are, but a "pretend" D1 not recognized by the NCAA. http://php.scripts.psu.ed...nkings.php?whichRanking=3

Per Wiki:

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (wsuwarrior) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:33:55 GMT

TheDinkytowner wrote:

PLG: Pitt could use the Penguins arena. Colorado could use the Avalanche arena. Northwestern could use the Blackhawks arena.

They might not make as much money as the Gophers, but I bet they make more than any of their women's teams.

Again, if Alabama-Huntsville can afford to field a team, there's no excuse why other schools can't.
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Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:56:22 GMT

PLG: Pitt could use the Penguins arena. Colorado could use the Avalanche arena. Northwestern could use the Blackhawks arena.

They might not make as much money as the Gophers, but I bet they make more than any of their women's teams.

Again, if Alabama-Huntsville can afford to field a team, there's no excuse why other schools can't.

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (parkinglotgopher) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:20:22 GMT

College hockey doesn't equal big bucks at a lot of schools. The reason the Minnesota program makes so much money is because it's loaded with tradition in a state that worships hockey. Not all D1 hockey programs are profitable, and certainly even fewer that are as successful at Minnesota hockey.

If I had to guess why others don't field teams, I would point to Title IX as well. Secondly, you suggest removing a program like rowing, which has very low overhead for the...

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:25:59 GMT

If Title 9 is the issue, then dropping a non-revenue sport like men's rowing should be a no-brainer. At the U, men's hockey is 1 of only 3 sports that actually brings in money. Why don't these schools see they could be making big bucks off it?

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (The Big L) — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:22:39 GMT

Title 9 was my first thought. Some smaller schools might not have as many sports programs so they can fit in hockey, while large universities would have to cut a men's sport to have a hockey team. Not sure if this is true, but just a thought.

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:16:55 GMT

Alabama-Huntsville would appear to have less interest, less market, less history, and less money than a school like the University of Colorado.

I think college hockey could explode into a big time sport if more major schools got off their asses. I'm sick of ESPN only showing maybe 3 college hockey games per year.

I might be wrong, but Title 9 could have something to do with it.

Re: schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (MinnMarchDTF) — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:55:42 GMT

Just guesses, but perhaps some of these reasons:
lack of interest
lack of market
lack of history
lack of money

schools without DI hockey teams

feeds@yuku.com (TheDinkytowner) — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:46:10 GMT

Can someone help me understand why major universities don't seem to want DI hockey programs, but minor schools do?

Why CC and Denver, but not University of Colorado?
Why Nebraska-Omaha, but not University of Nebraska?
Why Alabama-Huntsville, but not University of Alabama?

Why not Syracuse? Why not Marquette? Why not Northwestern or Iowa?

Why must D1 hockey be plagued with dozens of tiny schools while the big boys stay on the...